I’m not easily shocked by things I read on the affair discussion forums, because lets face it, when it comes to people having relationships and sex behind their spouses back, I see some pretty questionable behavior on a regular basis. From people fucking their affair partners in their freshly made marital bed, to a woman whose affair partner wants her to dress up in his wife’s clothes while they do the horizontal waltz, I have pretty much seen it all.
But then along came Karen. (not her real name)
Karen introduced herself to the forum in an unabashed manner full of confidence and spunk. As I read her introductory post, I was taken back and actually had to go back and read it twice to make sure what I was reading was actually what I was reading.
You see, some people have affairs because they don’t feel wanted or desired in their primary relationship and seek to get the intimacy that is missing at home from someone else. Some people have affairs because they are simply horny as all get out and can’t help themselves from getting in between the sheets with someone other than their spouse. Some do it for the thrill and excitement of doing something naughty.
Karen though…. She was different.
Oh, sure, she wanted sex. She loves the thrill of having a clandestine affair and Karen made it perfectly clear that she was a huge fan of recreational sex She loves to bed men. In her words, “There are way too many yummy men out there to not have a taste of them all.”
But Karen also had affairs because she wanted her children to have good genetics which she believed that her husband could not provide.
Karen’s two young children were fathered by two different men neither of whom is her husband, and hubby is none the wiser.
By all accounts, Karen’s husband is very successful financially and Karen is adamant that she loves him. “I love my husband.” She says. ” He has given me a comfortable and stable life. Because of his great job and his ability to provide me and my children with resources, I will never divorce him.” Karen is unapologetic about her lifestyle choice and in fact defends it with zeal saying that really this is just nature at its core. Karen is of the opinion that she is in touch with her evolutionary truth and that unlike other women, she has acknowledged her subconscious desires to acquire the most resources and best genes as possible, and is using it to her advantage as she explains below:
Nature wants us to mate with strong, virile men who can beat the shit out of the other men, have strong immune systems and produce the highest quality DNA sperm. But these types of testosterone driven men rarely, if ever, make good long-term partners.
My husband is a sensitive caring man with soft features. The men who fathered my children are much better looking, more masculine, and healthier than my hubby. If you were to ever meet my husband, you would agree that he is not the ideal man to mate with, but he would be a good dad.
While I found this to be provocative, I also found it to be terribly interesting as I have often wondered what role evolutionary psychology and genetics played in relationships that were highlighted by infidelity. You know the thinking…. Is there something in our DNA that makes us want to fuck that hot secretary or to bed down the new guy at the gym even though we have a spouse waiting at home? Are we hard wired to cheat on our spouses? Is monogamy even natural? Hell, even foot fetishes can be traced to evolution, as men are evolutionarily wired to look for small feet, which are a sign of high estrogen production, which itself is a sign of fertility, which explains why I have an uncontrollable urge to fuck every single women that is sporting anything under a size 10 pair of Uggs. But I digress.
When I asked Karen her thoughts on whether she thought we as a species were evolutionary predisposed to cheat she was quick to say that:
I certainly think it is unnatural to be monogamous. There is a lot of evidence that cheating is an important part of human evolution. Men try to spread their seed beyond their relationships. Women such as myself try to get the best genes for their children. I think society is in a losing battle with trying to change the way we are wired. Everyone should accept that monogamy is unnatural. As women, our goal in life is to secure the most resources and best possible genes for our children. Sometimes you can’t get both from one man.
Karen is obviously a woman that knows exactly want she wants and is not in the least bit afraid to go out and get it. I asked Karen if she wouldn’t mind if I picked her brain and she graciously accepted my request for an interview, the result of which is below:
Your 2 children were fathered by 2 different lovers. Are you worried that you husband might become suspicious that he isn’t in fact the father? Looks, mannerisms, personality traits that aren’t shared by the children, especially as they grow older?
Obviously this is one of my biggest concerns. During my research into mixed mating strategies many years ago, I was looking for how often the true paternity was exposed. Obviously in the old, old, old days it was virtually never discovered unless there were racial differences. Nowadays, if my children were to have a serious health problem that required blooding testing or something like that it could come up. But those odds are low because the fathers of my children are healthy, strong, and virile men. It is my belief that no matter what, people are going to tell us that my children have their father’s eyes or chin or something. People see what they want to see and naturally ignore any evidence that goes against their pre-conceived notions. I think my husband will do the same thing.
You said the following:
“Nature wants us to mate with strong, virile men who can beat the shit out of the other men, have strong immune systems and produce the highest quality DNA sperm. But these types of testosterone driven men rarely, if ever, make good long-term partners”.
So are you ok with the fact that your children might not be well suited to being good long-term partners?
That is an impossible question to answer. My children are much more likely to inherit their fathers looks rather than their personalities. Who’s to say they won’t be good long-term partners? The important thing is there is a good chance they will be attractive. That gives them the opportunity to produce lots of grandchildren for me. That is the ultimate goal, leaving behind as many descendants as possible.
You are unapologetic about the fact you had sex outside of your marriage in order to ensure that you children had the best genes possible. How would you feel if one of your own children gave you a grandchild, conceived under the same type of situation that you chose?
Well, if that were to happen I would obviously not know about it. If my son were to impregnate someone’s wife without the husband ever finding out, then that would give me a bonus grandbaby! Obviously if my daughter were to do the same thing I am doing then I wouldn’t be in a position to criticize her. As women, our goal in life is to secure the most resources and best possible genes for our children. Sometimes you can’t get both from one man.
When did you first become conscious of your desire to have certain aspects of your life fulfilled by different partners? Have you cheated in all of your relationships? Was there something in an early relationship that was an “awakening” for you?
I guess I am what you would call a “professional adulteress.” I have cheated in every relationship I have ever been in, including my marriage. I am an infidelity expert and I am very discreet. I have read a lot of material on infidelity. Not once has my husband shown suspicion about my affairs nor does he know that my lovers fathered the two children. I don’t know if it was an early relationship that made me the way I am. I think I am just not a monogamous person. There are way too many yummy men out there to not have a taste of them all.
Other than the fact that your husband is a good provider, are there other qualities about him that keep you with him? Do you enjoy sex with him? If so, how often?
Yes, he is one of the nicest and most emotionally available men I’ve ever known. If he were a woman he would be my best friend. He is a great husband. I would venture to say that most women would never even think about cheating on him. I do not expect him to be a stallion in bed like my lovers, but he is ok. When we have sex (these days about once a month or so), I don’t mind it.
Do you think that your husband has been faithful to you? If you found out that he had in fact had sex outside of the marriage, would you be angry or disappointed, or would you be able to accept it because men are hard wired to spread their seed far and wide?
I seriously doubt my husband has ever been unfaithful. It is not the way he is. He was a virgin until we started dating. He was 36 when I took his virginity. He has never been the player type and I can tell he embraces being married and “off-limits.”
Ever thought about broaching the subject of an open relationship with your husband?
An open relationship with my husband? No way. One of the main reasons I married him is his ability to provide me and my children with the resources we need. I don’t want to share my husband’s time and money with other women. That is out of the question.
It’s impossible to know how prevalent situations like this are as people won’t freely admit to it, but I get the impression that you think it happens a lot more than we might think. Thoughts?
Of course there are lots of other women in the same situation as myself. If you believe the paternity statistics (I do), approximately 10% of children are raised by non-biological dads. How many of those 10% besides myself admit to it? Probably not very many. Obviously I admit to it, but anonymously. We will never admit to it on-record because of the ramifications we would face.
Do you ever feel guilty? If so, how do you manage those feelings?
For me, I’ve never felt any guilt about any of the affairs I’ve had. I’ve often said that I’m like a man-I can fuck men the way men fuck women, without any guilt-and get right back into bed with my husband at night without the slightest tinge of remorse.
Would you say that you are gaining something emotionally from your affairs or are you in it purely for the sex?
Sex, that’s it. My husband does a great job with meeting my emotional needs. I have never had an emotional affair because I have never needed to. The cause for all my affairs has been pure lust.
What precautions do you take to ensure you maintain secrecy?
I take every precaution. I even do things I don’t have to do. But as far as the simple things, I’ve always only communicated with my lovers via email. And I would only access it at work. The phone thing never comes into the equation, which makes things so much easier. No single lovers! I’ve always looked for married or taken men, excluding one-night stands. Never change your attitude or appearance at home. When I am with my lovers, I am a sexual being. When I am at home, I am Mother. Only my best friend knows about my affairs. She is my alibi and also a good reference point to hold me in check if she notices that I’m getting too involved with my lover or I’m starting to act careless. I also make sure she knows when all my dates are happening so she doesn’t accidentally call my home while I’m out.
What’s the best and worst thing about being in an affair?
The best thing about being in an affair is the great sex. You see, the minute you get married and have a child, you become Mother. My lovers never knew me as Mother. To them, I was a sexual being. I’ve always told myself the worst thing about being in an affair is getting caught. Since this has never happened to me, I haven’t experienced the worst thing about having an affair. I hope I never do.
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So what do you all think? Is this a case of someone that is in touch with there inner evolutionary truth and she is just acting up on that? Have you ever wondered about being impregnated by your affair partner? Do you think that you might have subconsciously thought about it?
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For those of you who think that Karen is the only woman doing this, think again! Have you ever watched MAURY??? The only difference being skanks like Karen and the skanks on the Maury show is that Karen hasn’t been caught yet.
I was just wondering about the men she slept with. Do they know what is going on? Did they know she wanted to be impregnated by them? Isn’t she worried that they might do something about the situation? Or do they enjoy knowing another man has to work hard for their children? Also, is she planning on having more children? Wouldn’t that increase the risk of something goin wrong?
“I love my husband.”
You mean you love his bank account.
“Blahblahblah…I will never divorce him.”
Whatcha gonna do when he finds out those kids aren’t his and HE DIVORCES YOU?! Of course, he could afford a good attorney if he cuts off your “resources” and with that oh-so-handy DNA test he could get out of paying child support since he’ll have irrefutable proof of your infidelity. Didn’t think about THAT, now didja?
“Nowadays, if my children were to have a serious health problem that required blooding testing or something like that it could come up. But those odds are low because the fathers of my children are healthy, strong, and virile men.”
Yeah. They were so healthy, strong and virile their spawn will never have any kind of serious accident that would require blood testing, either!
Good job, lady. You wanted your kids to have “good, healthy genes” from some dudes other than the man you’re MARRIED TO and who is RAISING THEM and you got that…but unfortunately they could have inherited YOUR selfishness, stupidity and complete lack of morals.
Whassa matter? Did a sperm bank want too much of your “resources” for their services?
Congratulations. You win a cookie for the all-time “Most Creative Excuse For Whoring Around”.
Everybody give her a big round of
the clapapplause now!Wow. It’s not often one has the dubious privilege of hearing a carefully controlled narcissistic sociopath expound at length. Did anyone else take note of her assessment re: children as simply the demonstrated legacy of her winning strategy?
Got news for you, hon (if, indeed, you are a woman, of which I have my doubts). No one here is thinking of you as “Mother”—unless that’s the first syllables of a certain four-syllable word.
Their are many active couples who engage in this lifestyle openly.Cuckolds/cuckoldtresses exist all over. I do not condone her dishonestly but not her choices to do so.
Karen sounds like a complete sociopath. No conscience whatsoever.
I’d love for this Karen to read my letters from adult children like hers, and the husbands left in the dark. THEY ALL KNEW intuitively. Or, when they find out, did she consider the legal rights the children may have to their biological father’s estate? Also, basing her mothering relationships and foundation on a lie will harm everyone more than she can imagine. This gal is in denial.
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I am not Karen’s husband but I was married to a Karen type for 10 years. My ex-wife done the same thing to me. She gave birth to a son who is 13 years old and a daughter who is 8 years old now.They both have different dads also. Just like the replies above stated, something happen in her life made it possible for me to prompt to have DNA testing on them and it excluded me from being the father. To find out children that I raised and payed child support too, that is not mine is devastating.Yep Karen type women (pure evil) take children away from the fathers..take grandchidren away from their grandparents..take siblings away from each other ( I still love them but I cannot think of them the same way ) because I know they really belong to some other man. Karen type women have stolen the life out of everyone who is affected by her actions. I was blessed to have remarried to a adorable woman who have had two of (my children) no question that is mine…… my son who is Ken jr 3 years old and my daughter who is 9 months. Karen and all that is like her you are scum…I pray you get caught and have to pay dearly for your actions…
This women could be a sociopath or psychopath of some sort.
This women has no empathy whatsoever.
She only cares about herself, no remorse, no guilt.
She doesn’t love her husband, that is obvious to most readers, but what is not obvious to most readers is that she doesn’t love her children either. If they will ever found out her husband is not the biological father of her children, it is not only devastating to her husband, but also (and even more so) devastating to her children, as they have another problem, they have the urge to found out their real father, but now will never know.
If everybody found out about her and started hating her, she wouldn’t even understand I guess, and she would think the world is unkind and unfair to her!
Our civilization used to have the good sense to castigate women like this. If every woman acted in this way, the institution of marriage would collapse, widespread male demotivation would occur, and our economy would crumble. Oh wait, those things are already happening!
i’m not sure if i’ll be able to do such thing as this woman did. i’ve been married for 12 years and i too do not think i want my husband’s genes (he’s anti-social, abusive and did not give me a proper wedding) hence we have no kids but i don’t think i’ll ever wanna cheat on him like this by having another man’s baby. its afterall unfair towards my husband if he has to raise him up like his own. of course maybe unless my husband is rich but he isn’t.
I suppose the thing that strikes me as odd is that she not only wants to hurt her own family, but the family of others as well. She will only cheat with people that are in relationships. She is seriously playing with fire here….with each person she shags she extends the circle of people that would have a motive to hurt her. Or worse.
Not so sure this is a case of smart mating, it could just be a darwin award waiting to happen.
/yawn
Karen is crazy. She can use whatever twisted evolutionary psychology she wants to rationalize her behavior, but she’s just messed up. Deep down underneath I’m sure she’s an unhappy woman.
Something tells me “Karen” is actually a guy.
Wow that lady is Genghis Khan like ruthless.
Is she really as slick as she thinks she is? I’d wager her husband has some clues but has his head in the sand and refuses to think about the possibility too hard for the changes it would cause.
People get what they deserve, good or bad. This woman WILL get hers. Might take years, but it will happen.
I know this is a late comment but Karen is a loser. Her husband is acually wasting his life with his worthless wife. He should have used her only as a sex toy rather than marry her – she has no other value.
It is simply unreal HOW MANY girls on here would NOT tell their MAN about cheating or affairs…how sick. It is your MAN that is stuck raising the kids born of your infidelity, your man suffering from the AIDS or STD you contracted and gave him, your man working to pay the rent and take care of you. ANYONE who agrees that keeping silent is the best option, is more than likely stating that THEY too would cheat, and simply are not WOMAN enough to confess the problems and give the man a chance to forgive or walk away. Its amazing how many women are hard wired to cheat and cant stay faithful, YET, they are great at deceiving thier husbands and using them for free housing, food and security. Nothing like having ur guilt free cake and eating it too, huh ladies?
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Wow. Isn’t Karen at all concerned with STD’s when 1 in 4 Americans has one and STI’s and STD’s are on the rise? When she gives her husband herpes isn’t he gonna know she was a whore?
It’s clear that Karen was very lucky marrying a guy who’s outside her general ballpark. I’m thinking her studs are from her old trailer park. You have no self-respect Karen, you are thoroughly selfish and a fraud – and your husband is sleeping with the enemy.
Watch the karma Karen, because like death – you can’t avoid it. Maybe then you’ll rethink your “proud as punch” attitude you thoroughly loathsome woman!
Hmmm, this is desturbing…fighting revolution. Well, that is why we have morals right? If you “Karen” want to talk about genetics…your husband may not be muscular, handsome and big in certain departments there is one very important thing you forgotten…intelligents, he appartently has that except for the fact he might already know about your affairs of bettering the world and is in denial. You did get to know the other guys but how do you know they don’t have some medical issues running in their family such as colon cancer or things like that (cancer is one thing that doesn’t give a rats ass about your history and “dominate gene” health). Not to say your kids are not smart and your husband personality my pass on to them but intelligents only goes so far. Besides, your husband won’t be the only person hurt if he finds out…you children will be crushed because they won’t look at the dominate gene excuse like you do.
I’m surprised by all the negative comments. I mean, it’s her life. Does it really bother people so much what other’s do with there personal lives?
If she’s gonna cheat, she’s gonna cheat. Jesus. And I agree with her to an extend. We are not monogamous creatures, as studies state, and it is only natural to seek out men with top genetics as MATES. Not partners, but MATES.
When you look at instinct, what she’s saying isn’t all that absurd.
Also, for everyone stating that she’s something of a ‘gold-digger,’ she stated that her and her husband are emotionally in-tuned and happy. That she doesn’t look for emotional companionship, as she’s happy with her husband.
She has a point in not wanting to have an open-marriage, while it’s a tiny bit selfish.
My mother and father got a divorce, and I chose to live with him. Once he started getting girlfriends, he started ignoring me, texting them all the time, and spending a lot of his money on going out with them. With her, the cheating means “Go have sex, leave right after.” With her husband, who’s more soft-hearted, it would be an emotional, time consuming thing. In other words, it wouldn’t just be the sex. It would be more like companionship. Thus threatening the marriage itself.
Also, with all the sex she’s been having, you’d thing that ‘one time a month’ would slowly become more obvious, as her… ‘parts’ would slowly change. (Yes, having a lot of sex changes the look of the female genitalia. Even the feel.) Is he really all that smart if, not only are there two people working at the cheating game, he can’t notice such simple things? While I agree, intelligence is a gene that should be looked out for more (that’s the first thing I look for in any person) you can’t rule out that this woman herself probably has a high I.Q. Most women who cheat get caught everytime, but she hasn’t. The only person who knows was someone she knew could help her with planning. That’s called strategy, friends. She knows that we are not monogamous by nature, and acts on it. So what?
Oh, and if you guys want to call her a ‘sociopath,’ that’s fine. Sociopaths don’t have emotion. “My husband does a great job at meeting my emotional needs.” Yeah, she’s totally a sociopath, guys.
All-in-all, while I can’t commend her going behind her husband’s back… What she’s doing is pretty natural, whether or not you want to admit it. Truth is, if I get married and my husband doesn’t have great traits (Good health, mental and physical, and high intelligence. Some choice visual traits.) then I will be getting a genetic donation from someone,(Not by cheating, by going to a damn hospital.) as to ensure my great traits are complimented.
In my final word to you all, try not to get so furious over a woman doing what she knows is best for the next generation. We need more people looking at specific traits to cut the amount of stupid in the world. Agree? Good. Bye.
Hey, Britnie: Spare us, hon. You’re clearly not too bright. Try looking up the definition of “sociopath” before condemning others for properly using it. Oh, and … your attempt to justify your own skankitude was quite entertaining. Deep down, though, in that place where you can’t lie to yourself, you know that both you and Karen are whores.
I believe in Karma. I have taught many children over the years whose parents are physically very healthy and attractive, but who have produced children with profound disabilities. There is no guarantee of the physical constitution of children. It may not be apparent in your children but your grandchildren’s well-being may well be something where the karma of the world and there is no denying it, surfaces. One can not be so controlling and expect there to be no repercussions – often to the innocent.
Cheated on him for better genes? So you’re a fucking geneticist who is “positive” that securing the genes of these married men will help you succeed in some evolutionary cycle? You sound very vain Karen. You see yourself staring down at society from your moral pedestal as this highly evolved intellectual cunning entity who is securing herself this ideal utopian society. Let me tell you something Karen:
1. If you’re securing the “genes” of someone for you little ideal children, then why do you only go after “married” men? Why do you single out such a large majority of perfectly capable males? I assure you that these “flawless” genes of yours really won’t matter because there won’t exactly be much of a difference between your husband or these other men. Evolution is an extremely long process which takes hundreds of thousands of generations for any sort of result. The only way to be positive of extracting “positive genes” is by going through extensive health tests, blood tests, urine sampling, and IQ testing. I highly doubt that your suitors are willing to endure this long protracted process to get into your panties nor that your promiscuous self would either. lol
2. So you openly admit that you’re merely with your husband just for the financial and emotional benefit yet you claim to love your spouse? For such a “cunning” intellectual you sure to do have very shallow-minded views on the world. You know it’d be a lot easier to simply say “Why yes, I am a whore and I enjoy screwing around with my husband any way I see fit and I get aroused at the thought and the thrill of not getting caught.”
3. And finally, after debunking the “complicated” mind of Karen I can safely conclude that she is nothing more than sociopath, egotistical, immature child who wants nothing more than to eat cake and have ice-cream. While you are off in your little self-justified sexual escapades you take no mind of just how shallow you really are from the rest of the world. Just because you found a way to justify something that humanity has already been doing for tens of thousands of years doesn’t qualify you as some interesting intellectual.
Have fun living the delusion Karen. Whatever helps you sleep.